Re: [CAR-PGa] D&D represents threat to prison security

Paul,

There is an option to leave comments after the blog entries. I have no
idea how often Michael reads them though.

Rick

On Mon, 2011-01-31 at 15:07 -0800, Paul Cardwell wrote:
> Checking the CAR-PGa archives, I find it was really 2010 after all.
> Omar Diniz sent a notice of the decision way back then, but the
> decision itself was not available then, nor is the standard citation
> (Singer v. Ohio, etc.) even now. It shows something about selective
> memory that we tend to forget the unpleasant - it is probably the only
> way we can cope, else the outrage would consume us. Still, it says
> something that the story could be picked up in Brazil, posted in the
> CAR-PGa Newsletter, and missed in the US until a year later. If
> anyone can find the standard citation title, please let us know, as
> that remains a missing item in our files on the case.
>
>
> I did find one bit of irony in Mike comparing the severity of the
> Egyptian crisis with the triviality of games banned in state
> (apparently not federal) prisons. I recall that it is an Arab maxim
> about letting the camel get its nose in the tent and soon having a
> problem getting the whole camel out. Eternal vigilance and all that.
>
>
> And I still want to know why playing cards don't involve gambling only
> in prison, and what are the rules for shooting craps with D20s.
>
>
> I wish I could send this to Mike as well, but he has requested no
> emails, and reenforced it by not having any posted anywhere more
> recently than 2008 (Flying Buffalo).
>
>
> Paul Cardwell
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[CAR-PGa] D&D represents threat to prison security

Checking the CAR-PGa archives, I find it was really 2010 after all.  Omar Diniz sent a notice of the decision way back then, but the decision itself was not available then, nor is the standard citation (Singer v. Ohio, etc.) even now.  It shows something about selective memory that we tend to forget the unpleasant - it is probably the only way we can cope, else the outrage would consume us.  Still, it says something that the story could be picked up in Brazil, posted in the CAR-PGa Newsletter, and missed in the US until a year later.  If anyone can find the standard citation title, please let us know, as that remains a missing item in our files on the case.

I did find one bit of irony in Mike comparing the severity of the Egyptian crisis with the triviality of games banned in state (apparently not federal) prisons.  I recall that it is an Arab maxim about letting the camel get its nose in the tent and soon having a problem getting the whole camel out.  Eternal vigilance and all that.

And I still want to know why playing cards don't involve gambling only in prison, and what are the rules for shooting craps with D20s.

I wish I could send this to Mike as well, but he has requested no emails, and reenforced it by not having any posted anywhere more recently than 2008 (Flying Buffalo).

Paul Cardwell


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Re: [CAR-PGa] Survey of State & Federal congresses?

I just "blogged" a few sample questions (4), keeping in mind that I want
to keep it down around only 5 questions or so, what would be some basic
questions you might ask (in addition to these)?

http://rpgr.org/blog/i-wonder-how-many-members-of-state-federal-
congress-have-role-played

Cheers!

On Saturday, January 29, 2011 04:49:47 pm W.A. Hawke Robinson wrote:
> Greetings,
> I was wondering, is anyone aware of any attempt to survey state
> and/or federal senators and representatives on their stances and/or
> experience with role playing games?
> Cheers!


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Retired Computer Scientist.
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Game Master since 1984.

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The mission: A large scale, long term, multi-variable,
triple-blind series of research studies on the therapeutic aspects of
role playing gaming.

The purpose is to determine the causal characteristics
of role playing games, rather than relying on merely correlative
data as other studies have done in the past.

"Holistic medicine treats the person rather than the disease,
its concern lies with the 'whole person' and with permitting
individuals to assume self-responsibility for their own health.
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[CAR-PGa] Survey of State & Federal congresses?

Greetings,
I was wondering, is anyone aware of any attempt to survey state and/or
federal senators and representatives on their stances and/or experience
with role playing games?
Cheers!
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Recreation therapist & research scientist in training.
Retired Computer Scientist.
Role Playing Gamer since 1979.
Game Master since 1984.

The RPG Research Project
http://www.rpgr.org

The mission: A large scale, long term, multi-variable,
triple-blind series of research studies on the therapeutic aspects of
role playing gaming.

The purpose is to determine the causal characteristics
of role playing games, rather than relying on merely correlative
data as other studies have done in the past.

"Holistic medicine treats the person rather than the disease,
its concern lies with the 'whole person' and with permitting
individuals to assume self-responsibility for their own health.
Whereas illness is the sole concern of 'traditional medicine',
holistic 'well medicine' deals with wellness and health promotion"

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Re: [CAR-PGa] Re: D&D represents "a threat to prison security"

I'm not sure, but I think that when geeksaresexy.com reposted it, a lot
of people who hadn't heard before became aware of it.

Michael Stackpole posted an interesting editorial about it on
stormwolf.com yesterday. I think he did a really good job of covering
the salient points and keeping things in perspective.

Rick Smathers


On Fri, 2011-01-28 at 19:57 -0800, Paul Cardwell wrote:
> I am confused too. I assumed it was a recent decision also, but when
> I was accessioning the decision to the archives, I noticed the 2010
> date. The proximity to January 25 of this year increased the
> confusion. By now, it should have a standard citation (Singer v.
> Raemisch et al, US 7th etc.) and all it has is the 07-3400 case number
> rather than a decision number.
>
>
> On the other hand, in CAR-PGa, we never consider anything "old news"
> if it makes our information more complete. Thus it is great to get
> the decision, whatever its age and despite it being a set-back for
> rational discussion.
>
>
> Paul Cardwell
>
>
> ______________________________________________________________________
> From: "Mike "Talien" Tresca" <talien@toast.net>
> To: CAR-PGa <car-pga@googlegroups.com>
> Sent: Fri, January 28, 2011 6:19:57 PM
> Subject: [CAR-PGa] Re: D&D represents "a threat to prison security"
>
> I'm confused. I've checked every source in all the articles listed
> and elsewhere, and near as I can tell the decision was made back in
> January **2010**. So the January 25 date is accurate, but there's
> nothing new added here since 2010. The court ruled back on January
> 25, 2010, on its decision. The Above the Law article quoted is
> January 26, 2010. The only article that quotes this as new is Geeks
> are Sexy, which quotes it as being "just published." But even the PDF
> link indicates the ruling was January 25, 2010.
>
>
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Re: [CAR-PGa] Re: D&D represents "a threat to prison security"

I am confused too.  I assumed it was a recent decision also, but when I was accessioning the decision to the archives, I noticed the 2010 date.  The proximity to January 25 of this year increased the confusion.  By now, it should have a standard citation (Singer v. Raemisch et al, US 7th etc.) and all it has is the 07-3400 case number rather than a decision number.

On the other hand, in CAR-PGa, we never consider anything "old news" if it makes our information more complete.  Thus it is great to get the decision, whatever its age and despite it being a set-back for rational discussion.

Paul Cardwell


From: "Mike "Talien" Tresca" <talien@toast.net>
To: CAR-PGa <car-pga@googlegroups.com>
Sent: Fri, January 28, 2011 6:19:57 PM
Subject: [CAR-PGa] Re: D&D represents "a threat to prison security"

I'm confused.  I've checked every source in all the articles listed
and elsewhere, and near as I can tell the decision was made back in
January **2010**.  So the January 25 date is accurate, but there's
nothing new added here since 2010.  The court ruled back on January
25, 2010, on its decision.  The Above the Law article quoted is
January 26, 2010. The only article that quotes this as new is Geeks
are Sexy, which quotes it as being "just published."  But even the PDF
link indicates the ruling was January 25, 2010.



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[CAR-PGa] Re: D&D represents "a threat to prison security"

I'm confused. I've checked every source in all the articles listed
and elsewhere, and near as I can tell the decision was made back in
January **2010**. So the January 25 date is accurate, but there's
nothing new added here since 2010. The court ruled back on January
25, 2010, on its decision. The Above the Law article quoted is
January 26, 2010. The only article that quotes this as new is Geeks
are Sexy, which quotes it as being "just published." But even the PDF
link indicates the ruling was January 25, 2010.

I'd love to write an article about this but I'm pretty sure this is
old news, right?

On Jan 27, 7:14 pm, WJ Walton <rpgadvoc...@gmail.com> wrote:
> (Cut and pasted from The Escapist Blog -www.theescapist.com/blog)
>
> You may remember a story I reported on about a year ago (http://www.theescapist.com/blog/tiki-view_blog_post.php?blogId=5&postId=125),
> in which a prison inmate named Kevin Singer claimed that his first
> amendment rights were violated when prison security confiscated his
> Dungeons & Dragons books. Prison officials claimed that the game was a
> threat to prison security because the format of the game, with a
> Dungeon Master and a group of players, was an analogue of gang
> leadership. Misconceptions about how the game is played - that the DM
> gives the players orders that they must carry out, and that players
> see the DM as an authority in disputes outside of the game - seemed to
> be the basis for their concerns.
>
> On January 25th, the seventh circuit of the United States Court of
> Appeals handed down the decision recently, "concluding that the
> popular role-playing game Dungeons and Dragons ("D&D") represented a
> threat to prison security…" Prison security confiscated 21 books, 14
> magazines, and handwritten notes from prisoners. So, it's official -
> Dungeons & Dragons is too dangerous for prisons in Wisconsin.
>
> It's easy to dismiss this story by saying "They're inmates, and don't
> deserve to play any games at all." Many who commented on the earlier
> story did exactly that, in fact. But that isn't the issue of concern
> here. Whether or not inmates deserve to play games is one issue - but
> singling out a game as a threat to prison security based on bad
> evidence, and ignoring all evidence to the contrary, is a real
> problem. This is a decision that can be used as leverage in other
> places as well. If a paranoid parent wants to see a D&D group removed
> from a school or library in the future, you can guarantee that this
> decision will come up.
>
> Read the full court ruling here: (PDF -http://abovethelaw.com/_old/2010/01/26/Singer%20v.%20Raemisch.pdf).
> Geeks are Sexy has a lot more on the decision (http://www.geeksaresexy.net/2011/01/25/dungeons-dragons-a-threat-to-prison-s...)
> , and the story even got a bit of coverage on the Fox News website
> (http://www.foxnews.com/scitech/2011/01/26/dungeons-dragons-threatens-
> prison-security-court-rules/#).

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Re: [CAR-PGa] Re: D&D represents "a threat to prison security"

Thanks for an independent use of my agrument with prison officials regarding using prison staff or outsiders approved by them as referees in RPG.  

Regarding the gambling charge, I have added the point that playing cards are generally permitted despite having rare uses outside of gambling, and requesting the rules for shooting craps with twenty-sided dice.  I have yet to get a response.

Paul Cardwell


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Sent: Fri, January 28, 2011 8:22:34 AM
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On Jan 27, 7:14 pm, WJ Walton <rpgadvoc...@gmail.com> wrote:
> (Cut and pasted from The Escapist Blog -www.theescapist.com/blog)
>
> You may remember a story I reported on about a year ago (http://www.theescapist.com/blog/tiki-view_blog_post.php?blogId=5&postId=125),
> in which a prison inmate named Kevin Singer claimed that his first
> amendment rights were violated when prison security confiscated his
> Dungeons & Dragons books. Prison officials claimed that the game was a
> threat to prison security because the format of the game, with a
> Dungeon Master and a group of players, was an analogue of gang
> leadership. Misconceptions about how the game is played - that the DM
> gives the players orders that they must carry out, and that players
> see the DM as an authority in disputes outside of the game - seemed to
> be the basis for their concerns.
>
> On January 25th, the seventh circuit of the United States Court of
> Appeals handed down the decision recently, "concluding that the
> popular role-playing game Dungeons and Dragons ("D&D") represented a
> threat to prison security…" Prison security confiscated 21 books, 14
> magazines, and handwritten notes from prisoners. So, it's official -
> Dungeons & Dragons is too dangerous for prisons in Wisconsin.
>
> It's easy to dismiss this story by saying "They're inmates, and don't
> deserve to play any games at all." Many who commented on the earlier
> story did exactly that, in fact. But that isn't the issue of concern
> here. Whether or not inmates deserve to play games is one issue - but
> singling out a game as a threat to prison security based on bad
> evidence, and ignoring all evidence to the contrary, is a real
> problem. This is a decision that can be used as leverage in other
> places as well. If a paranoid parent wants to see a D&D group removed
> from a school or library in the future, you can guarantee that this
> decision will come up.
>
> Read the full court ruling here: (PDF -http://abovethelaw.com/_old/2010/01/26/Singer%20v.%20Raemisch.pdf).
> Geeks are Sexy has a lot more on the decision (http://www.geeksaresexy.net/2011/01/25/dungeons-dragons-a-threat-to-prison-s...)
> , and the story even got a bit of coverage on the Fox News website
> (http://www.foxnews.com/scitech/2011/01/26/dungeons-dragons-threatens-
> prison-security-court-rules/#).
I was a volunteer Chaplains helper for the Michigan department of
Corrections  for Thirteen years, While the DOC has the responsibility
to safe guard the prison they could use D&D as form of reward for good
behavior and as way to teach inmates how to value others. As to the
gambling charge this has some merit that is were volunteer staff
could come in handy let outside volunteers or staff come and run /
supervise the games . In the end the U.S supreme court will have to
decide if  this is a first amendment right or not.

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On Jan 27, 7:14 pm, WJ Walton <rpgadvoc...@gmail.com> wrote:
> (Cut and pasted from The Escapist Blog -www.theescapist.com/blog)
>
> You may remember a story I reported on about a year ago (http://www.theescapist.com/blog/tiki-view_blog_post.php?blogId=5&postId=125),
> in which a prison inmate named Kevin Singer claimed that his first
> amendment rights were violated when prison security confiscated his
> Dungeons & Dragons books. Prison officials claimed that the game was a
> threat to prison security because the format of the game, with a
> Dungeon Master and a group of players, was an analogue of gang
> leadership. Misconceptions about how the game is played - that the DM
> gives the players orders that they must carry out, and that players
> see the DM as an authority in disputes outside of the game - seemed to
> be the basis for their concerns.
>
> On January 25th, the seventh circuit of the United States Court of
> Appeals handed down the decision recently, "concluding that the
> popular role-playing game Dungeons and Dragons ("D&D") represented a
> threat to prison security…" Prison security confiscated 21 books, 14
> magazines, and handwritten notes from prisoners. So, it's official -
> Dungeons & Dragons is too dangerous for prisons in Wisconsin.
>
> It's easy to dismiss this story by saying "They're inmates, and don't
> deserve to play any games at all." Many who commented on the earlier
> story did exactly that, in fact. But that isn't the issue of concern
> here. Whether or not inmates deserve to play games is one issue - but
> singling out a game as a threat to prison security based on bad
> evidence, and ignoring all evidence to the contrary, is a real
> problem. This is a decision that can be used as leverage in other
> places as well. If a paranoid parent wants to see a D&D group removed
> from a school or library in the future, you can guarantee that this
> decision will come up.
>
> Read the full court ruling here: (PDF -http://abovethelaw.com/_old/2010/01/26/Singer%20v.%20Raemisch.pdf).
> Geeks are Sexy has a lot more on the decision (http://www.geeksaresexy.net/2011/01/25/dungeons-dragons-a-threat-to-prison-s...)
> , and the story even got a bit of coverage on the Fox News website
> (http://www.foxnews.com/scitech/2011/01/26/dungeons-dragons-threatens-
> prison-security-court-rules/#).
I was a volunteer Chaplains helper for the Michigan department of
Corrections for Thirteen years, While the DOC has the responsibility
to safe guard the prison they could use D&D as form of reward for good
behavior and as way to teach inmates how to value others. As to the
gambling charge this has some merit that is were volunteer staff
could come in handy let outside volunteers or staff come and run /
supervise the games . In the end the U.S supreme court will have to
decide if this is a first amendment right or not.

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[CAR-PGa] D&D represents "a threat to prison security"

(Cut and pasted from The Escapist Blog - www.theescapist.com/blog)

You may remember a story I reported on about a year ago (http://
www.theescapist.com/blog/tiki-view_blog_post.php?blogId=5&postId=125),
in which a prison inmate named Kevin Singer claimed that his first
amendment rights were violated when prison security confiscated his
Dungeons & Dragons books. Prison officials claimed that the game was a
threat to prison security because the format of the game, with a
Dungeon Master and a group of players, was an analogue of gang
leadership. Misconceptions about how the game is played - that the DM
gives the players orders that they must carry out, and that players
see the DM as an authority in disputes outside of the game - seemed to
be the basis for their concerns.

On January 25th, the seventh circuit of the United States Court of
Appeals handed down the decision recently, "concluding that the
popular role-playing game Dungeons and Dragons ("D&D") represented a
threat to prison security…" Prison security confiscated 21 books, 14
magazines, and handwritten notes from prisoners. So, it's official -
Dungeons & Dragons is too dangerous for prisons in Wisconsin.

It's easy to dismiss this story by saying "They're inmates, and don't
deserve to play any games at all." Many who commented on the earlier
story did exactly that, in fact. But that isn't the issue of concern
here. Whether or not inmates deserve to play games is one issue - but
singling out a game as a threat to prison security based on bad
evidence, and ignoring all evidence to the contrary, is a real
problem. This is a decision that can be used as leverage in other
places as well. If a paranoid parent wants to see a D&D group removed
from a school or library in the future, you can guarantee that this
decision will come up.

Read the full court ruling here: (PDF -
http://abovethelaw.com/_old/2010/01/26/Singer%20v.%20Raemisch.pdf).
Geeks are Sexy has a lot more on the decision (http://
www.geeksaresexy.net/2011/01/25/dungeons-dragons-a-threat-to-prison-security/#)
, and the story even got a bit of coverage on the Fox News website
(http://www.foxnews.com/scitech/2011/01/26/dungeons-dragons-threatens-
prison-security-court-rules/#
).

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[CAR-PGa] Home School Kids and RPG's

This post is a little tongue in cheek but essentially how it
happened. I gave some of my friends kids Labyrinth Lord and Mutant
Future for Christmas, now being as I know these people have a lot of
common sense I wasn't to worried about the consequences well one of
the boys showed his buddy the "ultra cool game with Orcs and Trolls
and I was approached by the Mom my first thought was is my will and
such in order ( the young mom in question is a Martial arts type and
formerly worked for Uncle Sam.) She came up to me and said " Where do
I get these games? look at all this math and reading. "My son never
liked reading until he saw this, now he want to read Lord of the Rings
and stuff like that and did I mention the math, Look at all this
Math"?
At this point I started breathing normally again when she asked can
you run some games for the kids?, oh pretty please." So today we
played a little Labyrinth Lord, the kids and two dads joined in seems
one had never played a RPG before all had a really great time. Good
thing I have all those old TSR modules.

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[CAR-PGa] membership data on the list

A member recently posted an update to his membership form to this list.  I was curious as to why, since this is material of highest confidentiality in CAR-PGa.  However, it having been done (by the subject of the information, not the Chair), I took the opportunity to commend him for updating (posting not mentioned) the information and urging other member to update theirs.  It goes to the Chair, email address above in the "From:" notice, not to this list.

I want to assure both current and future members that this will not be leaked by me, nor have I ever done so in the past.  I resent the implication that I was responsible for it this time.

Paul Cardwell

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[CAR-PGa] Re: Stephanie Crowe

Moderator's note:

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[CAR-PGa] Re: Stephanie Crowe

The action against the police was not for attacking RPG, but for shredding the due process provisions of the U.S. Constitution.  In that, they are defending us all.

Thanks for the update on the membership form.  I wish others would do likewise.  Some haven't updated theirs in over a decade - in fact, you are only the second member ever to do this.

Paul



From: M. Alan Thomas II <m_a_th_ii@hotmail.com>
To: Paul Cardwell <hippogriffpub@yahoo.com>
Sent: Fri, January 21, 2011 12:33:31 PM
Subject: RE: Stephanie Crowe

The story on the lawsuit so far is that:
1: the District Court judge granted summary judgement in favor of the police on most but not all of the charges,
2: two of the three families appealed (one dropped out, presumably deciding that they'd had enough) and the police cross-appealed in the hopes of getting the other charges thrown out as well, and
3: the Circuit Court ripped the original decision to pieces and returned it to the District Court for trial with the clear indication that they won't uphold any verdict other than "guilty".

The summary judgment was upheld in a few instances, but those are the usual result of the shotgun approach to lawsuits, where as many charges and defendants are named in the hopes of sticking something to someone; I don't think there's anything unfair about throwing out those specific charges. The district judge who issued the original ruling has died, so the trial will be handled by someone else. The formalities of a trial will take a while, but the talk now is of how large the penalties will be, not if they'll win. I'm attaching a copy of the most recent version of the appeals decision. (It's been amended twice.)

In other news, I really ought to submit a new copy of my membership form, so here it is:

Date: January 21, 2011
Name: M. Alan Thomas II
Address: 1619 Longbow Ct., Wheeling, IL 60090
Phone number: 314-814-4539 (home)
E-mail address: Publicly, I like listing "CrazyDreamer@crazydreams.org"; you can guarantee that that will always reach me. At the moment I mostly actually use m_a_th_ii@hotmail.com, but I don't want to list that.
Website: http://www.crazydreams.org/
Birth date and sex haven't changed.
Occupation: Librarian
Place of work: Indian Trails Public Library District, 355 S. Schoenbeck Rd., Wheeling, IL 60090, http://www.indiantrailslibrary.org/
High School: St. Louis University High, 1996-2000
College: Washington University in St. Louis ("in St. Louis" is part of the name), 2000-2007, A.B. in english literature and a Certificate in Creative Writing in fiction
Graduate School: University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign (UIUC), 2008-2009, M.S. in Library and Information Science
Languages: English (native), some dead languages (probably not relevant)

1. LexisNexis, NewsBank, ProQuest
2. See above.
4. Not much, these days, but I suppose you could list running In Nomine, Paranoia (various editions), and Star Wars The Roleplaying Game (d6/WEG). Oh, and Vampire LARPs (both versions).
6. I've been known to go to gothic-industrial clubs. My LIS interests include a healthy dose of information policy, which has a lot to do with the legal challenges we face. I've run anime clubs and worked to defend anime when it was a moral panic target.
7. Nothing beyond what's listed/implied above.
9. I'm amused that this is still on our list of questions.
10. One Windows 7 tower, one OS X 10.5 laptop, one Ubuntu Linux netbook, and WinXP on a Bootcamp partition. Again, this question seems a bit outdated.
11. My printer/scanner can do basic 8.5" x 11" copies. (Possibly slightly larger if we had the right paper.)
13. Some conservatives might not like me if they knew who my brother was. (One of the leaders of a sit-in/hunger strike at our university, worked for the Obama campaign, just finished a job as the state coordinator for a "green jobs" group, etc.)
14. Hasn't changed, obviously.
15. I like reading case law for fun.

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[CAR-PGa] Re: Stephanie Crowe

Alan,

The only articles I have on the Crowe case point to the prosecutors in
the original trial as the ones with anti-game prejudice. At least, the
way the articles are worded seems to suggest that the RPG motive was
coming from them, and not the police:

"Prosecutors have also claimed that the killing was spurred by the
boys' obsession with role-playing games like Dungeons & Dragons. …
Prosecutor Summer Stephan suggested that the words "kill kill," found
on a windowsill in Stephanie's bedroom, were evidence that the boys
were proudly proclaiming their victory in a game of death. "
http://www.theescapist.com/crowe1.htm

"Prosecutors portrayed the slaying as an open-and-shut case against
three boys warped by an unhealthy passion for dark role-playing games
like Dungeons and Dragons."
http://www.theescapist.com/crowe2.htm

As far as taking it off of our "trophy list," I think it should stay,
just not as an example of shoddy police work. The way I see it, the
prosecutors called this case open and shut based on the hobby of the
defendants, and children were hurt as a result. On top of that, it
serves as an example of how the "D&D defense" can still be taken
seriously in our legal system, and not something as ridiculous as the
"Chewbacca defense."

- Bill

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Re: [CAR-PGa] Re: Stephanie Crowe

Thanks for the quick update on new events in the Crowe case.  It is the broad net of CAR-PGa members who get this information out.  Every member cannot spot every story.

There are a couple of things in your second post.  First, appellate court records are of value only as a record of appellate court decisions.  Their purpose is to check the law - was due process observed in evidence presented, treatment of the accused, etc., not matters of fact.  There is an apparent exception in matters such as suppressed evidence, but even there appellate involvement is that it was suppressed, not what it contained).

On reading your second post, I immediately went to the archives and pulled the Crowe file.  The first out of the file was from Bill Walton's The Escapist, www.apbonline.com for 12 January 1999.  It contained, in the third paragraph, "Prosecutors say the killing reflected a brother's hatred of his sister and three boys' interest in role-playing fantasy games like 'Dungeons & Dragons.'"  Prosecutors work from what the police give them.  Actually you would have a better case in that D&D was incidental in Crowe's life, video games were his main interest, and he also had an abundance of Magic: the Gathering cards.  They were mentioned prominently in the "trial by media" stages.

Granted, the police didn't say to themselves that here are three kids who play D&D, let's railroad them - at least as far as we know.  However, they did arrest three kids without notifying their parents, did not mention their Miranda rights, did not provide them legal council, and subjected them to ten-hour interrogations filled with lies about the evidence they had.  D&D "evidence" was repeatedly mentioned both to the boys during the inquisition and to the public through the prosecutors and media.  If it is mentioned in print or broadcast, especially if to a public already preconditioned to believe that games are evil, there is a connection.

And yes, it is legal to lie during interrogations in that there is no law to prevent it.  However, why would you find that were no impediment to justice there when I doubt that you would condone a GM lying about a situation to the players in a game (in direct description, not what an NPC said) in order to get a total party kill?  Are real human beings of less value than the fictitious characters of mythical species in an imaginary story in a game?

The best account is the six part investigative report by Mark Sauer and John Wilkins in the San Diego Union-Tribune, starting on 11 May 1999.  The CAR-PGa archives file on this case is some 3/8" thick under compression.  It takes a lot longer than two hours to read.

You make some good points, but they are not convincing enough to remove from the file.  Sooner or later, it will be brought up as proof of the danger of RPG, depending on the public to have forgotten the Court TV program on the subject and thus the fact that the kids were exonerated.

Paul Cardwell




From: M. Alan Thomas II <crazydreamer@crazydreams.org>
To: CAR-PGa <car-pga@googlegroups.com>
Sent: Thu, January 20, 2011 1:22:18 AM
Subject: [CAR-PGa] Re: Stephanie Crowe

I've just spent a bit over two hours reading the appellate court
decision in the Crowe case and quite a bit of time on news reports
before that, and it seems clear to me that the fact that the kids
played D&D not only had nothing to do with the crime (obviously, given
that they were innocent!), but honestly doesn't look like it had
anything with the police's actions, either. Unless someone can point
out to me a cop stating that they went after the kids because they
were gamers or a copy relying heavily on the game during the infamous
interrogations, this looks like a case of cops gone wild enough that
they would have acted the same regardless of what the boys' hobbies
were; we can't assume that just because the victims were gamers, it
was anti-gaming prejudice, given that one of our primary truths is
that the mere presence of gaming does not prove causation.

That being said, the decision doesn't care about motive because it's
not trying to prove anything, so there may be things it left out. (It
did hold that there was a conspiracy to wrongfully convict, but it
didn't say /why/. News reports have their own theories not involving
gaming.) I'd like to hear from people who have files on this case if
they have any evidence to suggest that this one shouldn't be taken off
of our own "trophy list" of people hurt because they were gamers.

In service,
M. Alan Thomas II

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Re: [CAR-PGa] Re: Rimer rides again

When Mr. Rimer says:
"Fantasy role-playing like Dungeons and Dragons … and vampire gaming
are alive and well," said Rimer. "There are people who take gaming to
another level
, one that results in deaths and suicides. In the world
of gaming, there is evil."

The first thing that comes to my mind:

"Like every other game in the world.." Like football, basketball, hockey, F1 and many other games. But is worst in this case if we consider that many of these games are sports, considered healthy practices where the same question could be ask: how may people dies all days not per accidents, but because "people take gaming to another level".

But I personally believe that RPG games, specially board games, still will be back stronger than ever because the benefits transcend any other factors.

On 20 January 2011 15:29, M. Alan Thomas II <crazydreamer@crazydreams.org> wrote:
I called the Managing Editor of the News section of the Daily News
(Robin McCormick) to complain about their story. She will be putting a
short "We did not mean to paint all members of these groups with a
broad brush, &c." piece in an upcoming issue.

Next step: the Newport News Police Department sponsored the event.
(Which was held at a local Masonic temple, I'm told; the editor
mentioned that she thought that was an odd place to hold a cult
seminar. . . .) We ought to get them the correct facts, oughtn't we?

In service,
M. Alan Thomas II

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[CAR-PGa] Re: Rimer rides again

I called the Managing Editor of the News section of the Daily News
(Robin McCormick) to complain about their story. She will be putting a
short "We did not mean to paint all members of these groups with a
broad brush, &c." piece in an upcoming issue.

Next step: the Newport News Police Department sponsored the event.
(Which was held at a local Masonic temple, I'm told; the editor
mentioned that she thought that was an odd place to hold a cult
seminar. . . .) We ought to get them the correct facts, oughtn't we?

In service,
M. Alan Thomas II

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[CAR-PGa] Re: Stephanie Crowe

I've just spent a bit over two hours reading the appellate court
decision in the Crowe case and quite a bit of time on news reports
before that, and it seems clear to me that the fact that the kids
played D&D not only had nothing to do with the crime (obviously, given
that they were innocent!), but honestly doesn't look like it had
anything with the police's actions, either. Unless someone can point
out to me a cop stating that they went after the kids because they
were gamers or a copy relying heavily on the game during the infamous
interrogations, this looks like a case of cops gone wild enough that
they would have acted the same regardless of what the boys' hobbies
were; we can't assume that just because the victims were gamers, it
was anti-gaming prejudice, given that one of our primary truths is
that the mere presence of gaming does not prove causation.

That being said, the decision doesn't care about motive because it's
not trying to prove anything, so there may be things it left out. (It
did hold that there was a conspiracy to wrongfully convict, but it
didn't say /why/. News reports have their own theories not involving
gaming.) I'd like to hear from people who have files on this case if
they have any evidence to suggest that this one shouldn't be taken off
of our own "trophy list" of people hurt because they were gamers.

In service,
M. Alan Thomas II

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[CAR-PGa] Stephanie Crowe

While doing my research prior to calling the Managing Editor of the
News division at the Daily Press and complaining about their coverage
of Don Rimer, I ran across this semi-happy note:

http://www.kpbs.org/news/2011/jan/12/family-stephanie-crowe-finally-get-day-court/

The victims of the persecution by police in the Stephanie Crowe case
have won the appeal that will let their lawsuit go forward in full--
complete with appellate ruling describing the interrogation sessions
as "torture"--and are now ready to begin the trial proper. They have
made it clear that they'd rather get a conviction in court than
settlement money, so expect to an actual formal verdict against the
police for what they did on the basis of anti-D&D prejudice.

In service,
M. Alan Thomas II

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[CAR-PGa] Re: Rimer rides again

I had hoped we were beyond this but this and some other stuff
convinces me the fight is not yet over.

On Jan 17, 3:38 pm, WJ Walton <rpgadvoc...@gmail.com> wrote:
> (Cut and pasted from The Escapist Blog -www.theescapist.com/blog)
>
> Retired police officer and "international expert on occult crime" Don
> Rimer is at it again, hosting another seminar on occult crime for over
> 100 people, most of them active police officers. This time, he seems
> to be empowered by the popularity of the Twilight films and the HBO
> series True Blood, both of which involve vampires – but he hasn't
> given up on connecting role-playing games with terrible crimes.
>
> The real problem here is that ritual crimes really do exist, and
> police investigators could benefit from some real-world advice on how
> to solve them. But Rimer isn't the one to give that advice - not when
> he makes claims like this one:
>
> "Fantasy role-playing like Dungeons and Dragons … and vampire gaming
> are alive and well," said Rimer. "There are people who take gaming to
> another level, one that results in deaths and suicides. In the world
> of gaming, there is evil."
>
> Vampire gaming, in particular, will often lure people, then send them
> out on a quest that involves blood or sex, sometimes with deadly
> consequences, said Rimer."
>
> These sorts of claims come straight from the satanic panic of the
> 1980s, and have no place in the 21st century. Anyone claiming to be an
> "international expert" on any kind of investigation should have a
> clear concept of the difference between causation and correlation,
> something that Rimer sorely lacks. Sadly, as long as Rimer can find a
> paying audience, he will continue to spread this misinformation in
> situations where he could be doing some actual help.
>
> If you live in Virginia (especially the Newport News area), you may
> wish to consider writing a letter to the editor of your local paper,
> or even contacting your local police department and asking if they are
> planning to host one of Rimer's seminars.
>
> Read the full article here:
> article:http://www.dailypress.com/news/crime/dp-nws-occult-crime-20110115,0,7...
> archive:http://www.theescapist.com/archive-ritualcrime.htm
> See more on Don Rimer here:http://www.google.com/cse?cx=003922453247082703190:e92yvjerws0&cof=FO...

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[CAR-PGa] Rimer rides again

(Cut and pasted from The Escapist Blog - www.theescapist.com/blog)

Retired police officer and "international expert on occult crime" Don
Rimer is at it again, hosting another seminar on occult crime for over
100 people, most of them active police officers. This time, he seems
to be empowered by the popularity of the Twilight films and the HBO
series True Blood, both of which involve vampires – but he hasn't
given up on connecting role-playing games with terrible crimes.

The real problem here is that ritual crimes really do exist, and
police investigators could benefit from some real-world advice on how
to solve them. But Rimer isn't the one to give that advice - not when
he makes claims like this one:

"Fantasy role-playing like Dungeons and Dragons … and vampire gaming
are alive and well," said Rimer. "There are people who take gaming to
another level, one that results in deaths and suicides. In the world
of gaming, there is evil."

Vampire gaming, in particular, will often lure people, then send them
out on a quest that involves blood or sex, sometimes with deadly
consequences, said Rimer."

These sorts of claims come straight from the satanic panic of the
1980s, and have no place in the 21st century. Anyone claiming to be an
"international expert" on any kind of investigation should have a
clear concept of the difference between causation and correlation,
something that Rimer sorely lacks. Sadly, as long as Rimer can find a
paying audience, he will continue to spread this misinformation in
situations where he could be doing some actual help.

If you live in Virginia (especially the Newport News area), you may
wish to consider writing a letter to the editor of your local paper,
or even contacting your local police department and asking if they are
planning to host one of Rimer's seminars.

Read the full article here:
article: http://www.dailypress.com/news/crime/dp-nws-occult-crime-20110115,0,7463068.story
archive: http://www.theescapist.com/archive-ritualcrime.htm
See more on Don Rimer here:
http://www.google.com/cse?cx=003922453247082703190:e92yvjerws0&cof=FORID:0&q=don+rimer&sa=Search

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[CAR-PGa] lead

What an interesting couple of coincidences.  I too am duly ordained (Methodist).  I don't know if any other clergy are still active in CAR-PGa except for one Salvation Army, but in the past we have had Friends, Lutheran, and a rabbinical seminarian.  Let me know, off-list if necessary, the details.  It is sometimes useful when attacked by those insisting one must follow their theology or be Satanists.   Going to car-pga.org and filling out a membership form would let us be able to cite this.  The same goes for any other active non-members and also lurkers, clergy or lay.

I also have to cast my own bullets.  In fact, before each shot, I must measure and pour the powder, patch and ram the bullet, go to half-cock and measure and pour the primer, close the frizzen, go to full-cock, and only then am I ready to aim and fire.   One can't just go to the gun show and buy cartridges for a Manceaux à Paris .53 cal. carbine.  With my Fils à Langres 32-guage double barrel, after the powder, there is a wasp nest back wad, pour the shot (the shot flask measures that), add a wad of newsprint for the front wad, and prime as usual.  At least I can buy the shot.  In short, this is what the writers of the Second Amendment were talking about - flintlocks.   For someone in practice, this takes about a half minute, 20 seconds for the more "modern" caplock (1830s-1860s).  Gamers note this fact in playing gunpowder periods.

Even more remarkable, to melt the lead, I use a Gilbert lead figure casting pot.  These were once sold as toys for children to cast their own lead figures (adult supervision recommended for those under 12)!  I wonder what Consumer Products Safety Commission would say to that.  Gilbert was also known for the Erector Sets and the S gauge American Flyer toy trains.  

I have remelted defective figures and their sprues and runners, and I never heard them scream either, nor found accounts of it in any reputable source.  The remarkable thing is how many otherwise rational people actually believed this back in the mid-1980s - or maybe still do.

Paul Cardwell

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[CAR-PGa] Re: D&D minis scream in the fire!

On Jan 14, 1:19 pm, WJ Walton <rpgadvoc...@gmail.com> wrote:
> (Cut and pasted from The Escapist Blog -www.theescapist.com/blog)<p>
>
> Escapist reader Gabe found this great video that might be the origin
> of the myth that D&D miniatures scream when thrown into a fire. It's a
> segment from a 1984 video entitled "Deception of a Generation," with
> Phil Phillips (author of "Turmoil in the Toybox") and host Gary
> Greenwald discussing the dangers of all sorts of entertainment aimed
> at children, from Scooby Doo to Barbie to the biggest turmoil in
> anyone's toybox, Dungeons & Dragons:
>
> "Now, there are sixes involved in the pieces of the game, but they
> take the pieces of the game, they would throw them in the incinerator
> or the fireplace and screams would come out, because there seem to be
> some kind of spiritual forces inhabiting those pieces…
>
> Due to the way that the video has been cropped into segments, the
> above comment occurs at 6:06! (Oh, the delicious irony…):
>
> http://www.youtube.com/v/Q2ZvKdjlgKE
>
> Considering that this video was released at a time when the majority
> of roleplaying miniatures were made from lead and covered in many
> layers of paint, I would be willing to suggest that anyone who threw a
> handful of Ral Parthas into their fireplace and then heard screaming
> should probably have avoided breathing in the resulting fumes.
I come from a long tradition of custom bullet and ammo makers and have
poured a lot of lead, never heard lead scream.
As a Minister and a gamer I am offended by this video.

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Re: [CAR-PGa] "Community" cast plays D&D

Community is a great show. I'd encourage everyone to tune in, even though they'll probably make fun of the game. (They make fun of everything though.)

On Fri, Jan 14, 2011 at 12:31 PM, WJ Walton <rpgadvocate@gmail.com> wrote:
(Cut and pasted from The Escapist Blog - www.theescapist.com/blog)

According to Entertainment Weekly, an upcoming episode of NBC's
"Community" will feature the cast playing a game of Dungeons &
Dragons. I'm not familiar with the show at all, but I'll give this
episode a chance, at least.

Here's a link: http://insidetv.ew.com/2011/01/13/community-dungeons-dragons/

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Re: [CAR-PGa] D&D minis scream in the fire!

Since the major age-group playing D&D at this time were high school students and the destruction was by panic-stricken parents hearing only one side from the mass media, gamers of this period claimed the screams were coming from the kids who owned these figures they had spent hours painting in meticulous detail.

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From: WJ Walton <rpgadvocate@gmail.com>
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Sent: Fri, January 14, 2011 12:19:53 PM
Subject: [CAR-PGa] D&D minis scream in the fire!

(Cut and pasted from The Escapist Blog - www.theescapist.com/blog)<p>

Escapist reader Gabe found this great video that might be the origin
of the myth that D&D miniatures scream when thrown into a fire. It's a
segment from a 1984 video entitled "Deception of a Generation," with
Phil Phillips (author of "Turmoil in the Toybox") and host Gary
Greenwald discussing the dangers of all sorts of entertainment aimed
at children, from Scooby Doo to Barbie to the biggest turmoil in
anyone's toybox, Dungeons & Dragons:

"Now, there are sixes involved in the pieces of the game, but they
take the pieces of the game, they would throw them in the incinerator
or the fireplace and screams would come out, because there seem to be
some kind of spiritual forces inhabiting those pieces…"

Due to the way that the video has been cropped into segments, the
above comment occurs at 6:06! (Oh, the delicious irony…):

http://www.youtube.com/v/Q2ZvKdjlgKE

Considering that this video was released at a time when the majority
of roleplaying miniatures were made from lead and covered in many
layers of paint, I would be willing to suggest that anyone who threw a
handful of Ral Parthas into their fireplace and then heard screaming
should probably have avoided breathing in the resulting fumes.

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[CAR-PGa] "Community" cast plays D&D

(Cut and pasted from The Escapist Blog - www.theescapist.com/blog)

According to Entertainment Weekly, an upcoming episode of NBC's
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Dragons. I'm not familiar with the show at all, but I'll give this
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Here's a link: http://insidetv.ew.com/2011/01/13/community-dungeons-dragons/

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[CAR-PGa] D&D minis scream in the fire!

(Cut and pasted from The Escapist Blog - www.theescapist.com/blog)<p>

Escapist reader Gabe found this great video that might be the origin
of the myth that D&D miniatures scream when thrown into a fire. It's a
segment from a 1984 video entitled "Deception of a Generation," with
Phil Phillips (author of "Turmoil in the Toybox") and host Gary
Greenwald discussing the dangers of all sorts of entertainment aimed
at children, from Scooby Doo to Barbie to the biggest turmoil in
anyone's toybox, Dungeons & Dragons:

"Now, there are sixes involved in the pieces of the game, but they
take the pieces of the game, they would throw them in the incinerator
or the fireplace and screams would come out, because there seem to be
some kind of spiritual forces inhabiting those pieces…"

Due to the way that the video has been cropped into segments, the
above comment occurs at 6:06! (Oh, the delicious irony…):

http://www.youtube.com/v/Q2ZvKdjlgKE

Considering that this video was released at a time when the majority
of roleplaying miniatures were made from lead and covered in many
layers of paint, I would be willing to suggest that anyone who threw a
handful of Ral Parthas into their fireplace and then heard screaming
should probably have avoided breathing in the resulting fumes.

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