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On Oct 16, 12:03 pm, Paul Cardwell <hippogriff...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> I commend to your reading ChauncyDeVega's "What Richard Iott's Nazi Re-enactment
> Really Means", just so I am not blamed for my opinion being suigeneris.  If you
> get it through AlterNet, October 15, you get a bunch of useful video links,
> including that "unit's" recruiting film.  Amongst other things, it actually
> shows the group in a real re-enactment, as opposed to the press stills which
> shows them standing around in #1, rather than combat, uniform.  In the
> recruiting film note their member being "shot" after surrendering.  Propaganda
> forever.
>
> Also note that in my original comments, I contrasted Wehrmacht (regular army)
> with Waffen SS (Nazi troops), as did DeVega.  Since the point is not
> re-enactments (not really the same as LARP, being scripted), I will spell it
> out: the selection of a favored group of traitors to imitate, the inauthentic
> representation of that unit, the distinct pro-Nazi slant in their recruitment
> film, and the fact that this nation is still legally at war with that one (no
> peace treaty has been written, much less ratified by two-thirds of the US
> Senate), makes it obvious where their loyalties lie.
>
> I would also question the use of "War of Northern Aggression" (even if spelled
> correctly).  Fort Sumpter did not fire first.  My family has no oral history of
> this period because members were not only on both sides in the war, but at least
> on two occasions, in the same battle!  Family peace dictated.  Also the Texas
> counties along the Red River (including Fannin) voted for union by a 3:2 margin
> - and that is where my loyalties lie.
>
> This may be drifting off topic, but long before developing Mythworld (subtitled
> "realistic fantasy"), I developed a serious respect for real history, and a
> disdain for the fake claiming to be real.  Yeah, fake it if you wish, but at
> least have the honesty to label it as fake.  That includes the glorious
> plantation parasites as well as the self-proclaimed master race - two peas in
> the same pod.
>
> Paul Cardwell
>
> ________________________________
> From: jethrotull <mickieandfr...@charter.net>
> To: CAR-PGa <car-pga@googlegroups.com>
> Sent: Wed, October 13, 2010 5:14:02 PM
> Subject: [car-pga] Re: Congressional Candidate Condemned for Role-Playing a Nazi
>
> I saw the infamous photo, and I try as I might,
> I just couldn't get as righteously indignant as Bill Maher did over
> it.
> You see, as mentioned earlier, Iott also admitted to portraying  a
> UNION soldier in re-enactments of the War of Northern Agression.
> If he's free to wear THAT uniform in public, then anything goes.  :-)
>    In truth, I support anyone's right of self-expression. I'm an old
> fart, too,
> but if a group wanted to do a historical re-enactment of a Klan raid
> and lynching,
> or one that recreates the government massacre of Union workers at
> Homestead,
> I'd support that as well.  It's a RE-ENACTMENT----it's not real. You
> know,
> like when Bruce Willis saves the planet with nukes?  Or when somebody
> dresses up in the bat-suit--and we all go to those big air-conditioned
> buildings
> and watch them?  Now, I have my doubts as to whether a re-enactment
> of
> WW2 atrocities or KKK lynchings would be popular, but that's not the
> point;
> not all movies do big box office.  Some are duds.  So it is with re-
> enactments.
> Some are popular and people come out and watch; some, not so much.  I
> rather think the Wiking get-togethers fall into the latter category.
>
> On Oct 13, 1:37 am, Paul Cardwell <hippogriff...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > Since I am one of the few with direct memories of those days, I have a
> >different
> > reaction than an SS = LARP villains equation.  If he were doing a Wehrmacht
> > unit, I would have no problem with it.  However, the SS were not just
> defending
> > their country, but took a second oath to Adolph Hitler personally.  All were
> > Nazis.  The Wikings were recruited primarily from occupied Norway (Quislings),
> > with lesser numbers from Denmark, Netherlands, Swedish volunteers, and the
> > Baltic Republics.  They were traitors against their own countries.  While many
> > SS units behaved quite properly under the rules of war, Wikings were
> >responsible
> > for a higher percentage of atrocities than other SS units, excluding only the
> > Totenkopf units which were in charge of the concentration and extermination
> > camps.
>
> > This is a permanent alignment - costume and equipment costs alone makes it
> well
> > beyond the usual to play both sides of the same period. (It is reported that
> he
> > also did Civil War reenactments, on the Union side.)  Thus it is quite
> >different
> > from the tabletop or even usual LARP where one may be hero or villian from one
> > session to the next - or if played really properly, stages in between like
> real
> > people.
>
> > Yes, politics aside, there is a real difference, and my party doesn't even
> have
> > a candidate in that race.
>
> > Paul Cardwell
> > born a month after the Third German Empire
>
> > ________________________________
> > From: "Mike "Talien" Tresca" <tal...@toast.net>
> > To: CAR-PGa <car-pga@googlegroups.com>
> > Sent: Tue, October 12, 2010 8:08:40 PM
> > Subject: [car-pga] Congressional Candidate Condemned for Role-Playing a Nazi
>
> > When you take the politics out of the equation, this discussion is
> > fundamentally about whether or not it's okay for role-players to play
> > villains.
>
> >http://www.examiner.com/rpg-in-national/congressional-candidate-conde...
>
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