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Okay, this sort of thing is why some people have left this email list
and become disenchanted with CAR-PGa in general.

Certainly, historical re-enactments are enough like LARPs to bear
discussion on this list. And, the topic of what is "okay" and what is
"not okay" in role playing is a reasonable topic for this list.

But, tangents should not get too far off the main topic. And, using
terms that insult a person's heritage(regardless of what one may think
of that heritage) will only cause division in CAR-PGa. Using curse
words does not help, either.

Everyone, please don't veer off the roleplaying focus.

On Nov 4, 6:12 pm, jethrotull <mickieandfr...@charter.net> wrote:
> P.S.  Born 13 years after the end of WW2 and couldn't possibly care
> less...
>
> On Oct 16, 12:03 pm, Paul Cardwell <hippogriff...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > I commend to your reading ChauncyDeVega's "What Richard Iott's Nazi Re-enactment
> > Really Means", just so I am not blamed for my opinion being suigeneris.  If you
> > get it through AlterNet, October 15, you get a bunch of useful video links,
> > including that "unit's" recruiting film.  Amongst other things, it actually
> > shows the group in a real re-enactment, as opposed to the press stills which
> > shows them standing around in #1, rather than combat, uniform.  In the
> > recruiting film note their member being "shot" after surrendering.  Propaganda
> > forever.
>
> > Also note that in my original comments, I contrasted Wehrmacht (regular army)
> > with Waffen SS (Nazi troops), as did DeVega.  Since the point is not
> > re-enactments (not really the same as LARP, being scripted), I will spell it
> > out: the selection of a favored group of traitors to imitate, the inauthentic
> > representation of that unit, the distinct pro-Nazi slant in their recruitment
> > film, and the fact that this nation is still legally at war with that one (no
> > peace treaty has been written, much less ratified by two-thirds of the US
> > Senate), makes it obvious where their loyalties lie.
>
> > I would also question the use of "War of Northern Aggression" (even if spelled
> > correctly).  Fort Sumpter did not fire first.  My family has no oral history of
> > this period because members were not only on both sides in the war, but at least
> > on two occasions, in the same battle!  Family peace dictated.  Also the Texas
> > counties along the Red River (including Fannin) voted for union by a 3:2 margin
> > - and that is where my loyalties lie.
>
> > This may be drifting off topic, but long before developing Mythworld (subtitled
> > "realistic fantasy"), I developed a serious respect for real history, and a
> > disdain for the fake claiming to be real.  Yeah, fake it if you wish, but at
> > least have the honesty to label it as fake.  That includes the glorious
> > plantation parasites as well as the self-proclaimed master race - two peas in
> > the same pod.
>
> > Paul Cardwell
>
> > ________________________________
> > From: jethrotull <mickieandfr...@charter.net>
> > To: CAR-PGa <car-pga@googlegroups.com>
> > Sent: Wed, October 13, 2010 5:14:02 PM
> > Subject: [car-pga] Re: Congressional Candidate Condemned for Role-Playing a Nazi
>
> > I saw the infamous photo, and I try as I might,
> > I just couldn't get as righteously indignant as Bill Maher did over
> > it.
> > You see, as mentioned earlier, Iott also admitted to portraying  a
> > UNION soldier in re-enactments of the War of Northern Agression.
> > If he's free to wear THAT uniform in public, then anything goes.  :-)
> >    In truth, I support anyone's right of self-expression. I'm an old
> > fart, too,
> > but if a group wanted to do a historical re-enactment of a Klan raid
> > and lynching,
> > or one that recreates the government massacre of Union workers at
> > Homestead,
> > I'd support that as well.  It's a RE-ENACTMENT----it's not real. You
> > know,
> > like when Bruce Willis saves the planet with nukes?  Or when somebody
> > dresses up in the bat-suit--and we all go to those big air-conditioned
> > buildings
> > and watch them?  Now, I have my doubts as to whether a re-enactment
> > of
> > WW2 atrocities or KKK lynchings would be popular, but that's not the
> > point;
> > not all movies do big box office.  Some are duds.  So it is with re-
> > enactments.
> > Some are popular and people come out and watch; some, not so much.  I
> > rather think the Wiking get-togethers fall into the latter category.
>
> > On Oct 13, 1:37 am, Paul Cardwell <hippogriff...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > > Since I am one of the few with direct memories of those days, I have a
> > >different
> > > reaction than an SS = LARP villains equation.  If he were doing a Wehrmacht
> > > unit, I would have no problem with it.  However, the SS were not just
> > defending
> > > their country, but took a second oath to Adolph Hitler personally.  All were
> > > Nazis.  The Wikings were recruited primarily from occupied Norway (Quislings),
> > > with lesser numbers from Denmark, Netherlands, Swedish volunteers, and the
> > > Baltic Republics.  They were traitors against their own countries.  While many
> > > SS units behaved quite properly under the rules of war, Wikings were
> > >responsible
> > > for a higher percentage of atrocities than other SS units, excluding only the
> > > Totenkopf units which were in charge of the concentration and extermination
> > > camps.
>
> > > This is a permanent alignment - costume and equipment costs alone makes it
> > well
> > > beyond the usual to play both sides of the same period. (It is reported that
> > he
> > > also did Civil War reenactments, on the Union side.)  Thus it is quite
> > >different
> > > from the tabletop or even usual LARP where one may be hero or villian from one
> > > session to the next - or if played really properly, stages in between like
> > real
> > > people.
>
> > > Yes, politics aside, there is a real difference, and my party doesn't even
> > have
> > > a candidate in that race.
>
> > > Paul Cardwell
> > > born a month after the Third German Empire
>
> > > ________________________________
> > > From: "Mike "Talien" Tresca" <tal...@toast.net>
> > > To: CAR-PGa <car-pga@googlegroups.com>
> > > Sent: Tue, October 12, 2010 8:08:40 PM
> > > Subject: [car-pga] Congressional Candidate Condemned for Role-Playing a Nazi
>
> > > When you take the politics out of the equation, this discussion is
> > > fundamentally about whether or not it's okay for role-players to play
> > > villains.
>
> > >http://www.examiner.com/rpg-in-national/congressional-candidate-conde...
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