[car-pga] Re: Why do we roleplay?

I saw the episode of Bones and liked it.

I play rpg's for the same reason I play board games, cards, or go to
concerts: being among friends with similar interests.
I have friends who are into the Live Action Roleplaying, but I don't
think I'm that hard-core. I wouldn't mind checking out a
Renaissance Fair sometime, but not in costume.

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Re: [car-pga] Why do we roleplay?

        Gaming makes me think, whether I am running the game or playing a character. I enjoy the camaraderie, pure imagination, storytelling, character craft, and more, but it is the learning of so many different kinds that inspires me to keep playing.

        Have fun!

        David

Why do we roleplay? What do we get out of it, beyond simple
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Re: [car-pga] Japanese "RPG" textbooks from Namco Bandai and Gakko Tosho

Sounds great.  Any chance of an English translation?  With the Texas SBOE ruining textbooks for the whole country, it might help.  It won't do anything for history as that is already nailed down, but there is a faint hope as three of the cultists are out (retirement, primary, runoff) and if two Democrats and a Green can get in those spots, it will give at least an 8-7 return to rationality.  Maybe the two Republicans who used to vote for rationality will decide to return to the fold as well.

Meanwhile, I am considering a "speakeasy school" (from Pogo's satire on Massive Resistance and Virginia abolishing public schools to avoid integration).  Look at tea party rallies - all are white and most are 60ish - they were just starting school in this period!

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From: WJ Walton <rpgadvocate@gmail.com>
To: CAR-PGa <car-pga@googlegroups.com>
Sent: Thu, May 27, 2010 7:01:01 AM
Subject: [car-pga] Japanese "RPG" textbooks from Namco Bandai and Gakko Tosho

(Cut and pasted from The Escapist Blog - http://www.theescapist.com/blog
)

This story from NetworkWorld (http://www.networkworld.com/news/
2010/052410-japanese-role-playing-textbooks-new-chapter.html) about
Japanese choose-your-own-adventure textbooks hit my inbox yesterday:

"Japanese news outfit Asahi reports that Namco Bandai -- the Japanese
role-playing game powerhouse behind the Tales series -- and textbook
publisher Gakko Tosho have a partnership to produce textbooks laced
with JRPG elements. The new textbooks in development for math,
science, and language arts will hit classrooms as early as next
spring.<p>

It sounds like Namco Bandai is layering a choose-your-own adventure
into the basic work/textbooks most students use in elementary school.
Students follow an RPG storyline by, say, solving math problems and
each right answer nets them a key. Scoring enough keys wins the
student some kind of prize -- but it's not clear if the prize is
contained within the book or something physical the teacher
distributes. It could be pretty entertaining edutainment if it's not
too easy to cheat the game like you can with most choose-your-own
adventures."

Because Namco Bandai is behind it, most people will connect this with
video games - but it's much more like a tabletop RPG than anything
else, and with a carefully planned format and teacher's guide, there
wouldn't be any real concerns over students "cheating" the game. There
are a lot of cues that could be taken from existing RPGs that would
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This could be an incredible teaching tool that inspires kids to learn
through roleplaying. It would be really nice to see Wizards of the
Coast attempt something like this here in the US.

Of course, we wouldn't have to wait around for WotC, would we? Pretty
much *anyone* could take the initiative on something like this...
(nudge, nudge)

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[car-pga] Japanese "RPG" textbooks from Namco Bandai and Gakko Tosho

(Cut and pasted from The Escapist Blog - http://www.theescapist.com/blog
)

This story from NetworkWorld (http://www.networkworld.com/news/
2010/052410-japanese-role-playing-textbooks-new-chapter.html
) about
Japanese choose-your-own-adventure textbooks hit my inbox yesterday:

"Japanese news outfit Asahi reports that Namco Bandai -- the Japanese
role-playing game powerhouse behind the Tales series -- and textbook
publisher Gakko Tosho have a partnership to produce textbooks laced
with JRPG elements. The new textbooks in development for math,
science, and language arts will hit classrooms as early as next
spring.<p>

It sounds like Namco Bandai is layering a choose-your-own adventure
into the basic work/textbooks most students use in elementary school.
Students follow an RPG storyline by, say, solving math problems and
each right answer nets them a key. Scoring enough keys wins the
student some kind of prize -- but it's not clear if the prize is
contained within the book or something physical the teacher
distributes. It could be pretty entertaining edutainment if it's not
too easy to cheat the game like you can with most choose-your-own
adventures."

Because Namco Bandai is behind it, most people will connect this with
video games - but it's much more like a tabletop RPG than anything
else, and with a carefully planned format and teacher's guide, there
wouldn't be any real concerns over students "cheating" the game. There
are a lot of cues that could be taken from existing RPGs that would
expand and improve upon this idea.

This could be an incredible teaching tool that inspires kids to learn
through roleplaying. It would be really nice to see Wizards of the
Coast attempt something like this here in the US.

Of course, we wouldn't have to wait around for WotC, would we? Pretty
much *anyone* could take the initiative on something like this...
(nudge, nudge)

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[car-pga] Re: Middle TN State University's "Gaming Survey for Psychological Research"

You are correct. Ms. Drury did reply to me, and here is what she had
to say about her goals:

"My goal is to show that non-computer/non-console gaming (i.e., RPGs,
tabletop games, CCGs, etc.) is beneficial to social development. Both
organizations sound amazing and just what I need. I have two versions
of the survey: for computer/console gamers, and for non-computer/non-
console gamers. Obviously people do both, so I ask that people fill
out the form based on what they predominantly engage in."

There are two links, one for each of the above described types of
gaming:

1. Tabletopers: http://sites.google.com/site/drurygamingsurvey/
2. Consolers: http://sites.google.com/site/drurycomputergamingsurvey/

She said she needs about 3,000 at least of each filled out in order to
be able to really have any basis of study, and she is floating around
10 percent. If anyone wants to pitch in. I'll put it on all the OGRE
things later, didn't know if anyone else would be interested in
promoting this. Nice to have some positive research.


On May 19, 12:53 pm, Ted Skirvin <tedskir...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> There's a good chance that should be "Ms. Drury" rather than "Mr.
> Drury" unless he is from Italy.
>
> On May 17, 11:23 pm, Quilt City Ogres <hoope...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > Has anyone else came across the following:http://sites.google.com/site/drurygamingsurvey/
>
> > An excerpt: "ou are invited to participate in a research study
> > conducted by Michelle Drury from Middle Tennessee State University,
> > Department of Psychology.   If you decide to participate, you will be
> > asked to fill out a survey.  Your participation will help us to
> > further understand how gaming and social development interact."
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> > Anyone know anything about this?  I've emailed Mr. Drury and requested
> > to be notified of any releases made as a result of the survey, but
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[car-pga] Re: Middle TN State University's "Gaming Survey for Psychological Research"

There's a good chance that should be "Ms. Drury" rather than "Mr.
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On May 17, 11:23 pm, Quilt City Ogres <hoope...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Has anyone else came across the following:http://sites.google.com/site/drurygamingsurvey/
>
> An excerpt: "ou are invited to participate in a research study
> conducted by Michelle Drury from Middle Tennessee State University,
> Department of Psychology.   If you decide to participate, you will be
> asked to fill out a survey.  Your participation will help us to
> further understand how gaming and social development interact."
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> Anyone know anything about this?  I've emailed Mr. Drury and requested
> to be notified of any releases made as a result of the survey, but
> have not received any response.
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[car-pga] Middle TN State University's "Gaming Survey for Psychological Research"

Has anyone else came across the following: http://sites.google.com/site/drurygamingsurvey/

An excerpt: "ou are invited to participate in a research study
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Department of Psychology. If you decide to participate, you will be
asked to fill out a survey. Your participation will help us to
further understand how gaming and social development interact."


Anyone know anything about this? I've emailed Mr. Drury and requested
to be notified of any releases made as a result of the survey, but
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Re: [car-pga] TimeGate convention

Ted,

If you haven't already, I'd drop a mention into RPG.Net's forums.  They have a "gatherings" forum made for get-togethers and conventions.

Also get Carmen Argenziano's autograph for me.  :p

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On Tue, May 11, 2010 at 9:07 PM, Paul Cardwell <hippogriffpub@yahoo.com> wrote:
Congratulations.  That should improve things.  I just wish you could have been able to get the information in a bit earlier so we could have played it up in the Newsletter.  I hope for your usual con review following.

Paul


From: Ted Skirvin <tedskirvin@yahoo.com>
To: CAR-PGa <car-pga@googlegroups.com>
Sent: Tue, May 11, 2010 5:53:22 PM
Subject: [car-pga] TimeGate convention


Hey folks,

I'm the Gaming Coordinator this year for TimeGate. I doubt any of you
live near enough to come to it but take a look at the RPGs on the
gaming page if you are curious.

www.timegatecon.org

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Re: [car-pga] TimeGate convention

Congratulations.  That should improve things.  I just wish you could have been able to get the information in a bit earlier so we could have played it up in the Newsletter.  I hope for your usual con review following.

Paul


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Sent: Tue, May 11, 2010 5:53:22 PM
Subject: [car-pga] TimeGate convention


Hey folks,

I'm the Gaming Coordinator this year for TimeGate. I doubt any of you
live near enough to come to it but take a look at the RPGs on the
gaming page if you are curious.

www.timegatecon.org

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[car-pga] TimeGate convention

Hey folks,

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Re: [car-pga] Re: UK scout recognized for organizing a D&D club

Prorated refunds on subscriptions are always paid on request.  But think it over first.  You have been too valuable to CAR-PGa, of which I am merely an unpaid employee.

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[car-pga] Re: UK scout recognized for organizing a D&D club

All,

I'm closing this discussion under rule 1 and rule 4. (Side note, I
closed the discussion, then replied, assuming as a manager my reply
would be accepted. So now I'm re-typing my reply. :p )

The rules are here:

http://groups.google.com/group/car-pga/web/da-rulez?msg=sap

I just added rule 5. Discussions of whether or not something was off-
topic ARE off-topic. If you think something is off-topic, reach out
to me or another manager. If you think something we moderated should
have bee allowed, reach out to me or another manager.

Paul, your reply to Hooper was clearly heartfelt and well-meant. But
it was also off topic.
Alan, your reply was also off-topic.
jethrotull, your reply, while an understandable sentiment, was also
off-topic.


If someone wants to take up a new thread about scouts and gaming, feel
free. Just keep it on-topic, please.


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[car-pga] Re: UK scout recognized for organizing a D&D club

This is much too unpleasant and political for me. I recently "re-
upped" for CAR-PGa by sending my check to receive the newsletter the
old-fashioned way: via the USPS. I now regret that decision, but
that's okay. A year is not a long time. I'll be able to keep track
of some upcoming conventions and such, and then resign with a clear
conscience.

On May 10, 1:34 am, Paul Cardwell <hippogriff...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> I will keep this in the third person because even if personally attacked, it was put on line and so involves the whole group.  I am not going to fall for school-yard tactics like the bully who lands one sucker punch and then proclaims loudly how this should be discussed privately.
>
> First, no one in CAR-PGa is authorized to use the imperative mood in referring to another member.
> Neither the Chair nor the Vice Chair nor any other member.  We have no office of censor.  One may object to any comment posted, and they should, but one does not order other members around.  As the banner of the Newsletter says, we are a network of researchers into all aspects of role-playing games. We are a group of equals.
>
> In the case at hand, and it would apply to other cases as well, there was a request for information at least implied as to why a national unit of an international organization, did not utilize the advances used by other national units of that same organization, particularly since they showed such success in those other nations - particularly since they involved RPG.  I answered.  I suppose I should have gone into more detail in connecting the dots, but I thought it obvious how it related to gaming - the same people who were involved in warping this organization were attacking RPG one and a half decades later - often using some of the same talking points.
>
> Right after this organization was altered, a group the organization's supporters who were also concerned about the damage, organized to try to meet the needs of all the original target population.  I sent them the full details of what I only outlined in my recent post.  It was four pages in single-space typewritten copy (this was long before I owned a computer).  More have come to light since then.  However, a combination of a bill to de-charter this group failed in Congress; the Supreme Court ruled that as a private group, they could continue to use phantom registrations to get more money out of community charity drives, the use of unused military bases while violating their own charter, even to the point of getting tax money; and the corporate mass media shut down all coverage of the subject.  That rather thoroughly destroyed those attempts.
>
> As for frightening off those supporting this group, I must ask which one?  The one founded internationally by Lord Baden-Powell of Gilwell and in the U.S. by Dan Beard, or the one operated by the same people who, because of the power Texas has over the textbooks of the nation, are cutting Thomas Jefferson out of the schools (because of his letter to the Baptists about that wall - that they were defending back in those days) and that there were no native Texians defending the Alamo (the four who were all had Spanish names).  Do you want your kid to have to take an entrance exam and a full costly semester of remedial history, sociology, and civics to get a degree from a first rate college?  It is the same people then, plus their children now.  I could name names, but with a few exceptions, most would be unknown to you, although one involved in the phantom registrations once ran for the U.S. presidency - and don't jump to geographical conclusions with that
>  one - I don't know if he were involved or not, but doubt it until shown otherwise.  This is not guilt by association, but may reflect an association by guilt.
>
> One final matter, I have been threatened with having an opponent for the Chair.  That is obviously any member's right.  There are two ways to do it: file for the office when elections are opened by the Annual Report (January Newsletter); or, if that is too far off, by a vote of no confidence by either a majority of the Board of Directors (the Chair not voting, as in this case a tie is a failure) or of the entire active membership.  Unlike with sudden postings on this discussion list, the target does get a defense before final action is taken.
>
> Paul Cardwell
> Chair (at least for now)
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Re: [car-pga] Re: UK scout recognized for organizing a D&D club

I will keep this in the third person because even if personally attacked, it was put on line and so involves the whole group.  I am not going to fall for school-yard tactics like the bully who lands one sucker punch and then proclaims loudly how this should be discussed privately.

First, no one in CAR-PGa is authorized to use the imperative mood in referring to another member. 
Neither the Chair nor the Vice Chair nor any other member.  We have no office of censor.  One may object to any comment posted, and they should, but one does not order other members around.  As the banner of the Newsletter says, we are a network of researchers into all aspects of role-playing games. We are a group of equals.

In the case at hand, and it would apply to other cases as well, there was a request for information at least implied as to why a national unit of an international organization, did not utilize the advances used by other national units of that same organization, particularly since they showed such success in those other nations - particularly since they involved RPG.  I answered.  I suppose I should have gone into more detail in connecting the dots, but I thought it obvious how it related to gaming - the same people who were involved in warping this organization were attacking RPG one and a half decades later - often using some of the same talking points.

Right after this organization was altered, a group the organization's supporters who were also concerned about the damage, organized to try to meet the needs of all the original target population.  I sent them the full details of what I only outlined in my recent post.  It was four pages in single-space typewritten copy (this was long before I owned a computer).  More have come to light since then.  However, a combination of a bill to de-charter this group failed in Congress; the Supreme Court ruled that as a private group, they could continue to use phantom registrations to get more money out of community charity drives, the use of unused military bases while violating their own charter, even to the point of getting tax money; and the corporate mass media shut down all coverage of the subject.  That rather thoroughly destroyed those attempts.

As for frightening off those supporting this group, I must ask which one?  The one founded internationally by Lord Baden-Powell of Gilwell and in the U.S. by Dan Beard, or the one operated by the same people who, because of the power Texas has over the textbooks of the nation, are cutting Thomas Jefferson out of the schools (because of his letter to the Baptists about that wall - that they were defending back in those days) and that there were no native Texians defending the Alamo (the four who were all had Spanish names).  Do you want your kid to have to take an entrance exam and a full costly semester of remedial history, sociology, and civics to get a degree from a first rate college?  It is the same people then, plus their children now.  I could name names, but with a few exceptions, most would be unknown to you, although one involved in the phantom registrations once ran for the U.S. presidency - and don't jump to geographical conclusions with that one - I don't know if he were involved or not, but doubt it until shown otherwise.  This is not guilt by association, but may reflect an association by guilt.

One final matter, I have been threatened with having an opponent for the Chair.  That is obviously any member's right.  There are two ways to do it: file for the office when elections are opened by the Annual Report (January Newsletter); or, if that is too far off, by a vote of no confidence by either a majority of the Board of Directors (the Chair not voting, as in this case a tie is a failure) or of the entire active membership.  Unlike with sudden postings on this discussion list, the target does get a defense before final action is taken.

Paul Cardwell
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[car-pga] Re: UK scout recognized for organizing a D&D club

This conversation is now seriously off-topic and therefore in
violation of the rules of this discussion list. Stop it.

For once I basically agree with one of Paul's rants. However, that's
not the standard of acceptability in this forum; relevance is.
Hooper's _nonspecific_ comment about acceptance I didn't have a
problem with at the time because it was in the context of a discussion
of Scouting's acceptance of subcultures like ours and could be read as
being on-topic; Paul's comment is about a _specific_ range of
complaints _that do not include gaming_ and therefore is clearly off-
topic. Maybe I should have seen the warning signs in Hooper's comment
and said something earlier, but I try not to yell at people unless
there's a clear violation of the rules. If you want to discuss this
topic further, e-mail each other directly; do not drive away pro-RPG
people who also happen to be pro-BSA.

If one of the official moderators could edit the group description to
make these boundaries a little more clear, I would appreciate it.

Sincerely,
M. Alan Thomas II
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What To Do If Your Company Won't Let You Promote Online - By Daegan Smith

I just got a great question in from
Shannon Hanaway, that I think you may be
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"I've just been advised that my MLM
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and enrollment.

These are my products.

Am I dead in the water or do I just get
really creative?"

My Response:

Shannon,

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many sales anyway, so it's really more
of an non issue than you may think.

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again. People don't join opportunities,
they join people.

Therefore nothing that you do on the
front end of your business even needs to
ever mention your company. Let me
explain . . .

Your best prospects will always be the
doers like you. The people striving for
success.

What do doers look for?

Information and guidance.

This is all your business on the front
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you can help them, not because your moon
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So on the front end, do what I do.

Create your own newsletter. Your own
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If you get adventurous create a front
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1. Getting more leads 2. Making more
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Allow them to purchase it from you and
then . . .

Once all your marketing costs are paid
for by your profits, on the back-end
give you your customers a call.

Ask how you can be of further service,
naturally they'll be inquisitive as to
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There, right there, is the time you
bring up your back end company.

You may say, but "Daegan I can't create
a product."

I have two answers for you.

Yes you can and you don't even need a
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it easier.

Even if you were just to create your own
list online. Share stories and marketing
strategies daily, and as a call to
action at the end of your message you
said something like:

"If you'd like some personal help give
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XXX-XXXX I'll be in the office to help"

You'll have people ringing your phone
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on that one.

See how we never even bring up our
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To the top,

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Re: [car-pga] UK scout recognized for organizing a D&D club

I share Hooper's frustration over how the Boy Scouts of America refuse to have any more than mere membership in the World Scouting Federation.  In fact, I am probably more aware than most in the movement today.

In the 1960s, I was "Dean of Merit Badge Counsellors" (not an official title in Scouting literature, but that is what I was called) in Circle Ten Council, 14th "Tomahawk" District.  I was in charge of seeing that we had trained merit badge counsellors for the boys.  The district was Mesquite and Sunnyvale (the blade of the tomahawk) and Pleasant Grove neighborhood (the handle) in Dallas.  I had counsellors for every merit badge in the book and had over two-thirds of them each for the Dallas and the parts either side of what became Interstate 30, because I wanted counsellors within bicycle distance of every boy.

For the most part, we worked together well, despite a large contingent from what today would call themselves "militia" (we followed the constitutional definition of that term back then) who were stockpiling arms and ammunition from the militiary's American Marksman program to use in door to door genocide should the the South Dallas ghetto explode as similar neighborhoods had in other cities.  "And the best thing is those commies in Washington [the United States government] are giving us the bullets to do it with." (an actual brag expressed often at scout functions)

Then there was a coup somewhere in BSA which changed everything.  It was close enough to simultaneously that I am not sure in what order it occurred: BSA announced that they would abandon their paid-for headquarters in Brunswick, NJ and move to what is now their current one in Irving, TX at a cost of several million dollars; those in Tomahawk that took Scouting seriously were "fired" from their nonpaying volunteer jobs and blacklisted from Scouting for life; when I protested to Mr. Tarr (head of Circle Ten) I was berated for "not being able to get along with anyone" (see previous paragraph); Scout headquarters moved to Irving and Tarr became Chief Scout Executive; kids were banned from Scouting because their hippocampus was shaped differently from the majority as failure to be "morally straight" when they were far more moral than their accusers, even if not "straight" in another definition; those said "I don't know whether God exists or not but I intend to live by the Scout Law anyway" were expelled while those who said "sure the gods exist but they don't have anything to do with us" are permitted a God and Country Award (different name now), and one denomination which had 10% of its members at the March on Washington for Jobs and Freedom (where the I Have a Dream sermon was delivered) is not permitted to sponsor a scout troop, although apparently its members can join other troops.  Thus BSA became the only hate group chartered by Congress.

Now I know there are a lot of Scout leaders carrying on Baden-Powell's ideals despite what the high muckety-mucks say or do.  But merit badge mills and even pedophiles continue without much action against them by the "leaders".

I ended up in Canada where I quickly went to Scout House in Vancouver and voluteered (to everyone's amazement and joy) and got to see what Baden Powell was really trying to do a century ago.  I had used the Canadian Scouter's (Scoutmaster's) Manual in my own BSA troop, but seeing it first hand was a real experience.  I even got to serve on a bi-national jamboree committee where I served as translator between the two national staff members (they used their term, I said the other nation's - it was the closest I ever came to simultaneous translation - in both directions!)

Most of all, I regret that BSA abandoned their own Scout's Law, "A scout is a friend to all and a brother to every other scout" and this means throughout the world.



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[car-pga] The Evolution of Fantasy Role-Playing Games Available for Preorder

RPG Examiner Michael Tresca's first non-fiction book, The Evolution of
Fantasy Role-Playing Games (TEFRPG), is now available for preorder!

Tracing the evolution of fantasy gaming from its origins in tabletop
war and collectible card games to contemporary web-based live action
and massive multi-player games, this book examines the archetypes and
concepts within the fantasy gaming genre alongside the roles and
functions of the game players themselves. Other topics include: how
The Hobbit and The Lord of the Rings helped shape fantasy gaming
through Tolkien's obsessive attention to detail and virtual world
building; the community-based fellowship embraced by players of both
play-by-post and persistent browser-based games, despite the fact that
these games are fundamentally solo experiences; the origins of
gamebooks and interactive fiction; and the evolution of online gaming
in terms of technological capabilities, media richness, narrative
structure, coding authority, and participant roles.

http://tinyurl.com/396gsqo

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